The issue is that I have never had any preconceived notions about Atlas. After seeing several of his movies, I have not been impressed.

The question and it still stands, what am I missing, because some are clearly seeing something I don't.

Cordell there is something called critique and another thing called opinion. What I have asked for those who want to take that up is to possibly critique or give an opinion on Atlas and what they feel about him.

Almost every thing that I have seen with him in it was based upon reading someone's post or opinion about him. There is no difference than what I have stated.

I am not sure what details one needs to know about making porn that would affect their liking of a particular film. Atlas's performances are lacking to me.

This guy Killian as some may have suggested brought out something different. I haven't seen this pairing but Killian looks very appealing. I might take a look at it, I might not.

Other than that, as someone suggested it is subjective and the beauty of these threads so I thought, was for opinions to be shared and debated. That may mean that you can provide something that makes one look another way or take a different view from an aspect they are looking at.

You're not missing anything. He doesn't appeal to you, end of story. It's nothing more than that. I see him, my dick gets hard. You see him, and, obviously, you have some reaction less than that. Move on, he's not for you. Look elsewhere, I guess.

You sorta see this same behavior on the muscleservice board. Many of these guys have a fanbase of gay men who seem to take it as a personal affront if you say something bad about the guys (Zeb atlas, Mark Dalton). Am I mistaken, or have we always had long-running threads about which guys you wish would retire that some of you have participated in, or stars who are automatic turn-off stars, etc.? Why would this guy be any different to discuss of why some might not get his appeal?

mlt, what you may be taken aback by is the fact that atlass simply has a very unconventional look. He has this perpetually confused look no matter what he's doing (in the small bits I've seen of him). His body seems out of proportion. And he's just a HUGE guy. There's just nobody else his size to compare him to.

Cutlass, as usual, thank you as I think I am beginning to "see" what the real problem is.

The interesting thing about this topic and Zeb Atlas is that there is a big hoopla over this performer whereas I don't commonly share in that opinion. I like dozens more performers but I also like PORN. My question about this performer again is about what others may see or like that I don't or have not. Again nothing more, nothing less.

This is not an exercise to demean Atlas, negate him nor seriously detract from his work. While I am sure that is a facet of many who post on Atkol but one I try not to and hopefully have not done on a continual basis.

With that being said, Cordell, your description of Killian/Atlas scene is a bit comical. Not sure if you did it to be a wise ass or if that is just how you wanted to describe it but thanks for doing it. I guess i got what I asked for.

Butch the difference here is like what Cutlass said, it's not that I don't like or that Atlas isn't my cup of tea. However, i asked just like I would ask someone who likes pissing, twinks, fisting or masochistic films what is it that turns them on about said subject.

While I am not sure that I agree with Cutlass's statement about Atlas's physical attributes, but I do with his earlier comment.

"Am I mistaken, or have we always had long-running threads about which guys you wish would retire that some of you have participated in, or stars who are automatic turn-off stars, etc.? Why would this guy be any different to discuss of why some might not get his appeal?"

That's all I am doing and yet it seems like I touched a nerve or offended some one by asking my questions.

For the record, i will continue to post and ask this rhetorical question about Atlas or any other subject on these boards and I hope that the usual give and take will be better observed and not just delineate to "he's not for you" so move on.

Yes Cordell, I am beginning to think you are more than a glutton and probably the ass you called yourself earlier pertaining to this subject. My questions make just as much sense as any pro or con opinion you have stated elsewhere. I am somewhat over the Atlas thing but wondering why you of all people act like my question is just unheard of on these boards and specifically about this particular porn performer.

The bottom line is what Cutlass stated " Am I mistaken, or have we always had long-running threads about which guys you wish would retire that some of you have participated in, or stars who are automatic turn-off stars, etc.? Why would this guy be any different to discuss of why some might not get his appeal?
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Why are my questions any different. I have witnessed and responded to you on many subjects where you were for and against a particular topic. Why is this any different?

If Atlas gets you all tingly and moist in the ass or salivating in the mouth and gulping that's cool. However, don't be a classic bitchy queen like some on here because I don't share your sentiments and asked you or others to explain what it is you see in Atlas. Again, I have nothing against him or those who like him, I have just questioned what it was that people see in this guy that I haven't. It's no different than what others have stated about other performers or topics on these boards.

IT'S NOT HARD NOR DOES IT REQUIRE ONE TRYING TO CONVINCE ME HOW GREAT HE IS JUST A QUESTION OF WHAT THAT IS. Take a look at Cutlass's response. It's just that simple.

In the end, I almost feel like I shitted on some personal feelings you have for the guy and thus take my remarks to be offensive which they truly have not been nor intended to be.

Alas, you are right, this issue is quite moot and i hope your hypocrisy only extends to defending Zeb Atlas as you will be called on it in the future.

I was talking to a friend mine, who loves porn as much as I do, about this particular topic. He laughed and said he doesn't know why but certain performers garner the kind of reaction that my question apparently did pertaining to Zeb.

He is a fan of his and surprise of all surprises, he had the video with Zeb and Killian.

I will have to say, it still was not my thing but it was pretty good. If not better than the first three videos I have seen him in. You see Cordell, i am not biased and can give credit where it is due.

Cutlass, I think you are right about my being "turned off" about his size. I think some guys get to massive and it hinders there movement in some aspects or distorts their bodies too. It seemed like at certain points when he tried to caress or touch Killian, his big massive arms and pecs made his movements awkward. He kind of reminded me of the Hulk trying to pick up something very simple or some one trying to put on something they know is a little to small for them.

It was rather interesting but I have to say I thought he looked like he may have enjoyed this one more or atleast enjoyed Killian as he was satisfying himself while utilizing Zeb's body. He was a lot less "wooden & stale" as I stated before. As a result, he is one for four in my book.

"Butch the difference here is like what Cutlass said, it's not that I don't like or that Atlas isn't my cup of tea. However, i asked just like I would ask someone who likes pissing, twinks, fisting or masochistic films what is it that turns them on about said subject."

mlt73: I understand your question, and from my point of view I answered that -- when I look at him it turns me on, plain and simple. He's attractive to me, and I don't think about it beyond that simple fact. I don't know or care why others find him appealing or disgusting. I really don't.

Butch,

Thanks for answering and quite honestly, I am just perplexed somewhat on the reaction I have gotten here especially from you and Cordell.

We don't need to rehash it but it is just interesting and if you don't care one way or the other about opinions pertaining to Zeb, then why post your thoughts at all. I could understand if I said he was a bad person, needed to be put out to pasture or his misery, but I didn't. I just ASKED what did those who like him see in his performances that I do not.

This thread is over two hundred responses, Matthew seemed to be petitioning god and every deity known to man to express his feelings towards what he believed to be a slight and David Forest wanted us all to believe Zeb is the best thing since fucking and male on male fucking came about. Again, as some one who is obviously "missing" what you and others like, I asked the question about what that is.

I have wrote it and will write it again. It's not that hard and where you and others seem to give your opinion pro and con pertaining to other topics, then what is different about Zeb Atlas.

It seems to me that you do care, but you just want your opinion to be expressed with no dialogue. That's okay I guess, but it seems very limited and not something characteristically true about you.

It's okay and as I said, he did a much better job with Killian than I have seen previously. I am still not sold but if he get's you and others all tingly then I am happy for you.

I care to the degree that I've already explained. My attraction to or interest in Zeb Atlas, I feel, doesn't have to be defended or justified -- it's just one of those things that "is." Not trying to be difficult.