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You are reading topic "did they go too far?" in forum "Gay-Themed Shows."

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(Posted Monday, February 12, 2001, 7:04:00 PM)

I am talking about the scene in the 2/11 episode where the lesbian couple is shown in bed with full frontal nudity engaging in intense sex. Is this too controversial for American audiences? Was this shown on the British version? When do we get to see male couples do the same?

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(Posted Monday, February 12, 2001, 9:37:00 PM)

I think that was the most explicit scene I have ever seen on tv.
I have never truly understood why female frontal nudity has less of a no-no than male frontal nudity. I was once told that it was because the woman may or may not be in a state of arousal and you would not know, but a male's erection is right there for all to see------and I am ready!!!!

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(Posted Monday, February 12, 2001, 11:43:00 PM)

Seekermike: No, there was no such scene in the original version. The lesbians were pretty much an afterthought by Russell Davies, their storyline was developed only for revolving around the guys (IMHO).

But GAWD! Nobody warned me to have some clothespins (nose) and airplane bags (mouth) ready for THAT SCENE last night!

All we guys get is to leer at the bare butts but the lezzies get full-onscreen sex! NO FUCKIN' FAIR!


PS: Sorry, I have a few longtime L friends. But I definitely don't like watching such graphic female-to-female sex on the big or small screen. I guess the American QAF series is trying to appeal to gay women as well as the men.

Don Normann
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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 7:05:00 AM)

And don't forget the small contingency of bi/curious men who no doubt got a thrill! Or maybe BOUND was a sleeper hit just by "accident."

Face it, guys. Until there is a gay premium cable channel with strong financial backing, (which I may never see in my lifetime), the best we can hope for is scenes like the Chris Meloni/Brian Bloom scene in OZ.

And QAF IS making some progress! Or did anybody miss the on-screen fuck between Brian and Justin in the previous episode? That wasn't graphic enough? If you want to see dick going into holes, let's not forget what Falcon and other porn is for!

Derek K
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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 12:51:00 PM)

Except for full frontal shots of the men, I don't think QAF has skimped at all on realistic and even fairly graphic depictions of all-male sex. I think they've done a damn good job in that area.

The lesbian sex didn't bother me in the least any more than a similar hetero sex scene would bother me in another series or movie.

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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 6:10:00 PM)

I didn't find anything appalling about the scene, and the prior week's scene between B & J was pretty explicit. But then again, the lesbian scene was less graphic than most of the bi/str8 porn I have seen.

However, what I do object to is the way they depict the Jewish woman as being neurotic, overly emotional and easily unhinged, while the blond Christian woman remains stoic regardless of Brian's decisions or problems with Gus.

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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 7:07:00 PM)

Melanie is Jewish. Why does she always use "jesus" as an explative? Why not "Holy Moses"?

Shouldn't Lindsey be lactating? When they were going at it shouldn't milk have been spewing everywhere?

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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 7:16:00 PM)

They went wayyyyy to far. I have never seen a more graphic sex scene in a non porn environment. I still can't wipe the sound of it out of my head.

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(Posted Tuesday, February 13, 2001, 9:21:00 PM)

Other than the flash of the bush, what was so explicit? You saw David gnawing on Michael's nipples, so what's wrong with the two women doing the same?

You saw the old guy (can't remember his name) going down on his knees in front of Brian and slowly unzipping to reveal pubic hair (the encounter with his client) which equals one woman almost going down on the other

Their deep kisses were shot in such a way that you could not really see much anyway, not that I was looking ...but Justin playing tongue hockey with the punk guy at the art gallery was just as explicit (but yeah, a HELL of a lot more erotic).

The show isn't QueerMenAsFolk, guys ... :)

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(Posted Wednesday, February 14, 2001, 9:32:00 AM)

No, they absolutely have not gone too far. While there was nothing erotic for me in the viewing of two women having sex, the emotional context was powerful and central to the plot. Str8 movies and TV shows (ever watch NYPD Blue?) regularly show pretty explicit sexual interaction, and in the best of these, it provides insight into the characters and complexities of emotions that make the characters and plots more involving and "real"

Depicting the physical attratcion between Lindsey and Melanie was an important counter to the tension over Brian that works to divide them. Similarly, the raw lust between Brian and Justin is central to Justin's infatuation and Brian's conflicts, just as Michael's closed eyes and faraway expression while David makes love to him make the viewer (and Dave) wonder who he's really thinking about.

The reason QAF has so completely caught my attention is that, for the first time, I'm seeing realistic and multi-dimensional protrayals of lives and emotions that I can relate to physically and emotionally, as well as intellectually.

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